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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 02:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brenton</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/who-are-the-other-christian-gods/#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly find your view interesting, but poorly researched. This may have been through lack of preperation or understanding, or you may simply be ignoring the facts to create a strategic contrivance.

It&#039;s probably not worth sorting through the various impurities within that piece, but the first thing I&#039;d like to clear up, is that &quot;Elohim&quot; contains the &quot;-im&quot; ending common to many Hebrew plural nouns, but &quot;Elohim&quot; is used as grammatically singular and takes a singular verb from the Hebrew Bible. That word is not an exception, as the Hebrew word for &quot;owner&quot; (ba&#039;alim) also contains the &quot;-im&quot; suffix, but is still considered singular in modern Hebrew. So therefore, the overwhelming consensus is that the Hebrew Bible promotes monotheism, and you&#039;re claim of &quot;Elohim&quot; referencing numerous Gods is unsupported on linguistical terms.

On His latter name, &quot;Yahweh&quot;, this is basic knowledge to anybody who is well versed in hermaneutics. The Judeo-Christian God, is what scholars call, a &quot;revealed God&quot;. During the allegorical creation (an ingenious attack on neighbouring polytheism), God does not have a personal name because he is unknown to his creation. In the passage of Exodus 3:14, God, for the first time, reveals his name to Moses at the famous burning bush. He gives his name because Moses has no idea what to call Him in the presence of the pharoah. Elohim tells Moses to call him &quot;Yahweh&quot;, meaning &quot;I am that I am&quot;. This clearly states the trancendal nature of the Hebrew God, and infusing mystery into his nature. Notice how he &quot;reveals&quot; himself progressively (Christ himself, paraphrases it numerous times in the New Testament)?

Also, last thing. The commandment you speak of is a clear reference to existentialism which is prevalent throughout the Bible (even more so in the NT). The Hebrew God obviously knows that he is the only existing deity, but his reference to &quot;no other Gods&quot; refers to the concepts of God. In other words, He won&#039;t accept any other foreign ideas of a deity. Once again in Exodus, when Moses is commanded by the Lord to reveal Him to the pharoah, the Lord &quot;hardens the pharoah&#039;s heart&quot; (a phrase repeated numerous times throughout the plagues) to show the Egyptians that there polytheistic Gods do not exist, and cannot match the awesome power of the Hebrew God. Within the Bible, it is also interesting to note that God himself refers to the Egyptian Gods as &quot;Gods&quot;, but also acknowledges them as fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly find your view interesting, but poorly researched. This may have been through lack of preperation or understanding, or you may simply be ignoring the facts to create a strategic contrivance.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably not worth sorting through the various impurities within that piece, but the first thing I&#8217;d like to clear up, is that &#8220;Elohim&#8221; contains the &#8220;-im&#8221; ending common to many Hebrew plural nouns, but &#8220;Elohim&#8221; is used as grammatically singular and takes a singular verb from the Hebrew Bible. That word is not an exception, as the Hebrew word for &#8220;owner&#8221; (ba&#8217;alim) also contains the &#8220;-im&#8221; suffix, but is still considered singular in modern Hebrew. So therefore, the overwhelming consensus is that the Hebrew Bible promotes monotheism, and you&#8217;re claim of &#8220;Elohim&#8221; referencing numerous Gods is unsupported on linguistical terms.</p>
<p>On His latter name, &#8220;Yahweh&#8221;, this is basic knowledge to anybody who is well versed in hermaneutics. The Judeo-Christian God, is what scholars call, a &#8220;revealed God&#8221;. During the allegorical creation (an ingenious attack on neighbouring polytheism), God does not have a personal name because he is unknown to his creation. In the passage of Exodus 3:14, God, for the first time, reveals his name to Moses at the famous burning bush. He gives his name because Moses has no idea what to call Him in the presence of the pharoah. Elohim tells Moses to call him &#8220;Yahweh&#8221;, meaning &#8220;I am that I am&#8221;. This clearly states the trancendal nature of the Hebrew God, and infusing mystery into his nature. Notice how he &#8220;reveals&#8221; himself progressively (Christ himself, paraphrases it numerous times in the New Testament)?</p>
<p>Also, last thing. The commandment you speak of is a clear reference to existentialism which is prevalent throughout the Bible (even more so in the NT). The Hebrew God obviously knows that he is the only existing deity, but his reference to &#8220;no other Gods&#8221; refers to the concepts of God. In other words, He won&#8217;t accept any other foreign ideas of a deity. Once again in Exodus, when Moses is commanded by the Lord to reveal Him to the pharoah, the Lord &#8220;hardens the pharoah&#8217;s heart&#8221; (a phrase repeated numerous times throughout the plagues) to show the Egyptians that there polytheistic Gods do not exist, and cannot match the awesome power of the Hebrew God. Within the Bible, it is also interesting to note that God himself refers to the Egyptian Gods as &#8220;Gods&#8221;, but also acknowledges them as fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter gore seer</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/who-are-the-other-christian-gods/#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter gore seer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have done and seen some wonder full things round me and others I have seen evil and angels to much to write about so I listen to all your comments the strange thing is you are all right and all wrong.the truth is we are all very vunruble.Psychics Acult I feel we are being played with like puppets on a string we psychics should be able to answer the questions better but we cant.We all have different abilities we don&#039;t all get on with each other all giving different answers to the same questions I am no wiser when i became  a seer i just see a lot more confusion.TRUTH half is real and half is delusion of some sort BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE IGNORD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have done and seen some wonder full things round me and others I have seen evil and angels to much to write about so I listen to all your comments the strange thing is you are all right and all wrong.the truth is we are all very vunruble.Psychics Acult I feel we are being played with like puppets on a string we psychics should be able to answer the questions better but we cant.We all have different abilities we don&#8217;t all get on with each other all giving different answers to the same questions I am no wiser when i became  a seer i just see a lot more confusion.TRUTH half is real and half is delusion of some sort BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE IGNORD</p>
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		<title>By: Peter gore seer</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/who-are-the-other-christian-gods/#comment-1142</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter gore seer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can deny god a million times he will not deny you once belief is stronger than disbelief love is positive hate is negative I do NOT know what a ATHEIST believes in but I know EVIL believes in god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can deny god a million times he will not deny you once belief is stronger than disbelief love is positive hate is negative I do NOT know what a ATHEIST believes in but I know EVIL believes in god.</p>
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		<title>By: Molochi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molochi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s still the chance they believed in the wrong god.

Christians are always telling me &quot;It&#039;s win-win. If I&#039;m right, then I go to heaven, if you&#039;re right then I just won&#039;t exist so it doesn&#039;t matter.&quot;

Well, if your god isn&#039;t real, what if say, another one is. What if Zeus is the real god? Well then you&#039;d better get sacrificing to him and living a life of virtue according to Olympian teachings or you&#039;re going straight to Tartarus to hang out with the rest of people who foolishly believed in a Free Lunch (See: Salvation by Grace)

Try to argue against that without using circular reasoning. I know it&#039;s hard, but try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s still the chance they believed in the wrong god.</p>
<p>Christians are always telling me &#8220;It&#8217;s win-win. If I&#8217;m right, then I go to heaven, if you&#8217;re right then I just won&#8217;t exist so it doesn&#8217;t matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if your god isn&#8217;t real, what if say, another one is. What if Zeus is the real god? Well then you&#8217;d better get sacrificing to him and living a life of virtue according to Olympian teachings or you&#8217;re going straight to Tartarus to hang out with the rest of people who foolishly believed in a Free Lunch (See: Salvation by Grace)</p>
<p>Try to argue against that without using circular reasoning. I know it&#8217;s hard, but try.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/who-are-the-other-christian-gods/#comment-1140</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK some clarifications. If you define &quot;higher beings&quot; as gods, then even Christians accept multiple deities: the angels.

If you mean &quot;infinite being&quot; by God, then, clearly there can only be one.

The rest of the post is just made up of red herrings:

eg of course I have a vested interest in Christianity. I also have a vested interest in promoting opera. It is not strange or sinister for me to promote my interests...

eg unlike us atheists, theists are illogical. Alas the divide is not so neat. Both camps have both geniuses and idiots.

eg the book of Exodus is emphatic that there is just one God (and that therefore the multiple &quot;gods&quot; of paganism are don&#039;t exist). Judaism makes no sense without this. Are you really saying that Israelites both made up the Bible and their own monotheistic faith, but were too stupid to get them to match on this fundamental point? A little Hebrew (I have done 2 only two years) or indeed any Semitic language is sufficient to clarify all points raised here (as well as Ateizam&#039;s confusion.

The bottom line is that when Christians claim that they believe in the existence of one God and only one God, it is all very well for an atheist to show that they are wrong in this belief, but to have an atheist arrogantly informing &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt; that in fact we do not believe in one God but in many is too much. [If you genuinely want explanations of YHWH and Elohim and Most High by all means ask, but I don&#039;t think you are being genuine here.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK some clarifications. If you define &#8220;higher beings&#8221; as gods, then even Christians accept multiple deities: the angels.</p>
<p>If you mean &#8220;infinite being&#8221; by God, then, clearly there can only be one.</p>
<p>The rest of the post is just made up of red herrings:</p>
<p>eg of course I have a vested interest in Christianity. I also have a vested interest in promoting opera. It is not strange or sinister for me to promote my interests&#8230;</p>
<p>eg unlike us atheists, theists are illogical. Alas the divide is not so neat. Both camps have both geniuses and idiots.</p>
<p>eg the book of Exodus is emphatic that there is just one God (and that therefore the multiple &#8220;gods&#8221; of paganism are don&#8217;t exist). Judaism makes no sense without this. Are you really saying that Israelites both made up the Bible and their own monotheistic faith, but were too stupid to get them to match on this fundamental point? A little Hebrew (I have done 2 only two years) or indeed any Semitic language is sufficient to clarify all points raised here (as well as Ateizam&#8217;s confusion.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that when Christians claim that they believe in the existence of one God and only one God, it is all very well for an atheist to show that they are wrong in this belief, but to have an atheist arrogantly informing <i>us</i> that in fact we do not believe in one God but in many is too much. [If you genuinely want explanations of YHWH and Elohim and Most High by all means ask, but I don't think you are being genuine here.]</p>
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		<title>By: Ateizam</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/who-are-the-other-christian-gods/#comment-1139</link>
		<dc:creator>Ateizam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas, the Atheis is saying his opinion but he built his opinion on the bible verses, which clearly point that there are more gods beside Yahweh. He didn&#039;t make this up. It turns that atheist read bible with more attentions and understanding than christians. How sad. Read these verses very carefully:

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the children of men, he set the bounds of the peoples
 according to the number of the children of Israel. For Yahweh’s portion is his people.
 Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
Deuteronomy 32:8-9

Pay attention that there is Most High and Yahweh. Structure of the sentence gives us the meaning that there is Most High and other gods. Yahweh is among other gods. In all translation I checked there were Most High and Yahweh or Lord used. Most High separeted people, Yahweh gets his deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas, the Atheis is saying his opinion but he built his opinion on the bible verses, which clearly point that there are more gods beside Yahweh. He didn&#8217;t make this up. It turns that atheist read bible with more attentions and understanding than christians. How sad. Read these verses very carefully:</p>
<p>When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the children of men, he set the bounds of the peoples<br />
 according to the number of the children of Israel. For Yahweh’s portion is his people.<br />
 Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.<br />
Deuteronomy 32:8-9</p>
<p>Pay attention that there is Most High and Yahweh. Structure of the sentence gives us the meaning that there is Most High and other gods. Yahweh is among other gods. In all translation I checked there were Most High and Yahweh or Lord used. Most High separeted people, Yahweh gets his deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/who-are-the-other-christian-gods/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Athiest,

Thanks for replying.

I can understand where you come from when you talk about burying ones head in the sand, but you talk about fear. I dont fear your conceptualization of the truth, in that there is no God. I dont fear your belief that there will be no God when I die, for even when I do die I have nothing to lose, if I am wrong about my faith and there is no God when I die then I havent lost anything, I wont have a God to answer to will I? and I will die like you. On the other hand if you die in denial about the existance and teachings of Christ and the law of God, then wont you have everything to lose?

How can you comment on matters of truth? you dont know the truth, it is simply your OPINION that there is not God.


Thankyou &amp; God bless,
Lucas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Athiest,</p>
<p>Thanks for replying.</p>
<p>I can understand where you come from when you talk about burying ones head in the sand, but you talk about fear. I dont fear your conceptualization of the truth, in that there is no God. I dont fear your belief that there will be no God when I die, for even when I do die I have nothing to lose, if I am wrong about my faith and there is no God when I die then I havent lost anything, I wont have a God to answer to will I? and I will die like you. On the other hand if you die in denial about the existance and teachings of Christ and the law of God, then wont you have everything to lose?</p>
<p>How can you comment on matters of truth? you dont know the truth, it is simply your OPINION that there is not God.</p>
<p>Thankyou &amp; God bless,<br />
Lucas</p>
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		<title>By: The Atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lucas, thanks for commenting.

There are two ways one might deal with a challenge to one&#039;s faith.  The first, and the one you&#039;re taking, is to bury your head in the sand.  To dance around the issues and to maintain the status quo because of fear.  It&#039;s understandable, especially for those who were indoctrinated at an early age.  The other option is to seek the truth, to look at both sides of the argument carefully and honestly.  Instead of dismissing points that are opposed to your own, I hope that one day you&#039;l take the time to fully explore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lucas, thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>There are two ways one might deal with a challenge to one&#8217;s faith.  The first, and the one you&#8217;re taking, is to bury your head in the sand.  To dance around the issues and to maintain the status quo because of fear.  It&#8217;s understandable, especially for those who were indoctrinated at an early age.  The other option is to seek the truth, to look at both sides of the argument carefully and honestly.  Instead of dismissing points that are opposed to your own, I hope that one day you&#8217;l take the time to fully explore them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading your article only strengthens my faith.

Dont try and prove the illogicality of Christianty, when your arguement is filled with misinterpretation, irrationality and unsubstantiated evidence.

Thankyou &amp; God bless,
Lucas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading your article only strengthens my faith.</p>
<p>Dont try and prove the illogicality of Christianty, when your arguement is filled with misinterpretation, irrationality and unsubstantiated evidence.</p>
<p>Thankyou &amp; God bless,<br />
Lucas.</p>
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