Comments on: What Would Make Me Believe in a God? http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/ Enlightenment through common sense Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:36:35 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Peter gore seer http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-1253 Peter gore seer Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:18:38 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-1253 I was a atheist but a event change my life forever opened a door because of money £3600 my mother had save it.She got friendly with a nabor and she was heaving it even if it meant conjuring up a demon and killing me or anyone else.My mother and granddaughter were victims both were killed the witch use a nasty entity know as master another entity stepped in said she was an angel saved my life no arm would come to me and look after me.And i will help people from time to time but i person must have there own beliefs and be free to choose as i am i can walk away i forgive the witch her sole is lost my sole is saved i have greater power you all have let religion start with you.As it started with me love amen. I was a atheist but a event change my life forever opened a door because of money £3600 my mother had save it.She got friendly with a nabor and she was heaving it even if it meant conjuring up a demon and killing me or anyone else.My mother and granddaughter were victims both were killed the witch use a nasty entity know as master another entity stepped in said she was an angel saved my life no arm would come to me and look after me.And i will help people from time to time but i person must have there own beliefs and be free to choose as i am i can walk away i forgive the witch her sole is lost my sole is saved i have greater power you all have let religion start with you.As it started with me love amen.

]]> By: Messenger http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-1247 Messenger Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:21:46 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-1247 "What Would Make Me Believe in a God?" I suspect nothing would ever be good enough. Take God up on His challenge. God proclaims that He will fortell the end so that you can't credit your idols (false gods). How? A simple prophecy, God says that Israel will never cease to be a nation, He will protect Israel from sure anihialation. His name is tied to a people He has chosen. Keep an eye out nations will rise against Israel and against all odds they will prevail. Jeremiah 31:35-36 “What Would Make Me Believe in a God?” I suspect nothing would ever be good enough.

Take God up on His challenge. God proclaims that He will fortell the end so that you can’t credit your idols (false gods).

How? A simple prophecy, God says that Israel will never cease to be a nation, He will protect Israel from sure anihialation. His name is tied to a people He has chosen. Keep an eye out nations will rise against Israel and against all odds they will prevail.

Jeremiah 31:35-36

]]> By: Peter gore seer http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-1080 Peter gore seer Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:14:41 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-1080 Peter gore seer I believe in GOD because a curs was put on me It went in me thru and round me.And a angel came to rescue me told me to tell a preist that I have been touch by an angel I am that I am. Peter gore seer I believe in GOD because a curs was put on me It went in me thru and round me.And a angel came to rescue me told me to tell a preist that I have been touch by an angel I am that I am.

]]> By: RATNIK http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-1052 RATNIK Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:07:04 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-1052 Well, this was a nice discussion. It is a shame it has concluded. Yet the conclusion was inevitable due to the topic discussed. What have we achieved? Experience to use in future discussion when attempting to make our beliefs more plausible and accepted? Either way, my position is that of an agnostic, with an emphasis that our existence, and the existence of everything around us is meaningless. You do not need deep knowledge or previous philosophical/scientific/ whatever experience to deduct this. It is the most obvious and easiest conclusion to reach...just keep asking the question why, and unless you desire to cease to ask the question you will continue forever, or at least to the point where you say: " I don't know." and therefore find your either atheistic or theistic stance futile. The reason for people ignoring this idea is that they believe it is beyond their reasoning capabilities. Those who argue (theists,atheists) are in a worst spot due to their already plagued mind, so obsessed with proving to the other their idea that they completely disregard the fundamental approach to these questions. Ultimately your own weakness in reasoning, whether you are an atheist or a theist, is your classification as one. Identifying/classifying yourself only limits your reasoning. IT is difficult to be completely unidentified since we are all used to finding out who we are, what personality we have, etc; yet the key to our "better" life (as futile as it is) is the removal of identity. Our primitiveness is evident in our posts themselves. We write on an internet website which not many know about, hidden in between a list of replies with an even lesser chance of being read. Ultimately when the site goes down so do our ideas, only present in the minds of those few who stumbled upon this, yet after considering ti for a few days took it as just another post whose significance was slowly dissolved in the events of an everyday life. Waking up, going to work/school/living, sleeping etc. Then we die, and for some "we" just disappear, with bodies decomposing and our beings only alive through someone elses memories, which too fade as they too die. For some, we go to heaven, where we continue living in futility, whose presence is masked by our belief that we have a purpose, whether it be just standing next to God for eternity or for whatever reason someone deems heaven meaningful. Well this can go on forever, so to spare you some time of your life, farewell. Well, this was a nice discussion. It is a shame it has concluded. Yet the conclusion was inevitable due to the topic discussed. What have we achieved? Experience to use in future discussion when attempting to make our beliefs more plausible and accepted? Either way, my position is that of an agnostic, with an emphasis that our existence, and the existence of everything around us is meaningless. You do not need deep knowledge or previous philosophical/scientific/ whatever experience to deduct this. It is the most obvious and easiest conclusion to reach…just keep asking the question why, and unless you desire to cease to ask the question you will continue forever, or at least to the point where you say: ” I don’t know.” and therefore find your either atheistic or theistic stance futile. The reason for people ignoring this idea is that they believe it is beyond their reasoning capabilities. Those who argue (theists,atheists) are in a worst spot due to their already plagued mind, so obsessed with proving to the other their idea that they completely disregard the fundamental approach to these questions. Ultimately your own weakness in reasoning, whether you are an atheist or a theist, is your classification as one. Identifying/classifying yourself only limits your reasoning. IT is difficult to be completely unidentified since we are all used to finding out who we are, what personality we have, etc; yet the key to our “better” life (as futile as it is) is the removal of identity. Our primitiveness is evident in our posts themselves. We write on an internet website which not many know about, hidden in between a list of replies with an even lesser chance of being read. Ultimately when the site goes down so do our ideas, only present in the minds of those few who stumbled upon this, yet after considering ti for a few days took it as just another post whose significance was slowly dissolved in the events of an everyday life. Waking up, going to work/school/living, sleeping etc. Then we die, and for some “we” just disappear, with bodies decomposing and our beings only alive through someone elses memories, which too fade as they too die. For some, we go to heaven, where we continue living in futility, whose presence is masked by our belief that we have a purpose, whether it be just standing next to God for eternity or for whatever reason someone deems heaven meaningful. Well this can go on forever, so to spare you some time of your life, farewell.

]]> By: The Faith Matrix http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-1027 The Faith Matrix Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:38:46 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-1027 [...] Atheists – Atheists, or at least true atheists, have no need for faith.  If there is evidence for something, we believe it.  If there is no evidence for something, then we treat it with a healthy degree of scepticism to the point of not believing until evidence presents itself.  To see how I fit in to this, you can read what would make me believe in a a God. [...] [...] Atheists – Atheists, or at least true atheists, have no need for faith.  If there is evidence for something, we believe it.  If there is no evidence for something, then we treat it with a healthy degree of scepticism to the point of not believing until evidence presents itself.  To see how I fit in to this, you can read what would make me believe in a a God. [...]

]]> By: Sam Wallace http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-945 Sam Wallace Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:16:45 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-945 Johnathan Baker you are one smart cookie! Seriously though, you are an incredibly reasonable man Johnathan Baker you are one smart cookie!
Seriously though, you are an incredibly reasonable man

]]> By: Alex Ratcliff http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-927 Alex Ratcliff Sat, 06 Jun 2009 07:19:29 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-927 I do not believe in any god and I am certain that none of the earth centric, self loving gods that exist in the majority of religions are false and nothing could prove to me that they are real. If religious people can deny vast evidence against god, I think I can allow myself one irrationality and say that I will never believe in an earth centric or jealous god. Despite that I do not deny the possibility of some vast intelligence that got the universe started and has fingers in all parts of the universe. such a god would merely be a observer and slight guider. It seems rational to me that such a benevolent god would want to create something as beautiful as the universe we live in. However, this gives absolutely no importance to earth or humans and even makes the chances of an afterlife slim to none. On the topic of what could convince me that a god exists I think the book Contact by Carl Sagan hit on it perfectly. The god I could believe in could choose to stay hidden forever, but if it did make its presence known it would not be in some one-off and explainable event like a burning bush on some backwater planet like Earth. Instead it would be a grand announcement that every civilization would eventually find and statistically would approach impossibility. In Contact the main character found a sequence of numbers in pie in base 11 that drew a perfect circle in 1's and 0's when arranged in equal lines. This combination of statistical improbability and symbolic message combined in a form that any sufficiently advanced civilization could see would convince me beyond a doubt that there is either a god or a civilization so advanced it is indistinguishable from a god. I do not believe in any god and I am certain that none of the earth centric, self loving gods that exist in the majority of religions are false and nothing could prove to me that they are real. If religious people can deny vast evidence against god, I think I can allow myself one irrationality and say that I will never believe in an earth centric or jealous god.
Despite that I do not deny the possibility of some vast intelligence that got the universe started and has fingers in all parts of the universe. such a god would merely be a observer and slight guider. It seems rational to me that such a benevolent god would want to create something as beautiful as the universe we live in. However, this gives absolutely no importance to earth or humans and even makes the chances of an afterlife slim to none.
On the topic of what could convince me that a god exists I think the book Contact by Carl Sagan hit on it perfectly. The god I could believe in could choose to stay hidden forever, but if it did make its presence known it would not be in some one-off and explainable event like a burning bush on some backwater planet like Earth. Instead it would be a grand announcement that every civilization would eventually find and statistically would approach impossibility. In Contact the main character found a sequence of numbers in pie in base 11 that drew a perfect circle in 1’s and 0’s when arranged in equal lines. This combination of statistical improbability and symbolic message combined in a form that any sufficiently advanced civilization could see would convince me beyond a doubt that there is either a god or a civilization so advanced it is indistinguishable from a god.

]]> By: The Atheist’s Challenge - 22 Questions http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-3/#comment-893 The Atheist’s Challenge - 22 Questions Sat, 30 May 2009 20:12:15 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-893 [...] What would it take to believe in a God?I’ve already covered this. [...] [...] What would it take to believe in a God?I’ve already covered this. [...]

]]> By: Joe http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-2/#comment-876 Joe Tue, 26 May 2009 00:06:16 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-876 Pointless debate, although interesting. Pointless debate, although interesting.

]]> By: A Stumbler http://www.the-atheist.com/what-would-make-me-believe-in-a-god/comment-page-2/#comment-819 A Stumbler Thu, 21 May 2009 06:30:26 +0000 http://www.the-atheist.com/?p=93#comment-819 This is a very interesting debate to watch, the reason being that all parties agree on the point being debated: whether or not "a god" exists is unimportant. The_Atheist and a few others merely leave it at that. Jonathan Baker and crew, however, believe it's unimportant for entirely different reasons: "a god" is of no import if it isn't Yahweh. This is ostensibly a debate on whether or not there is a god. What this ought to be, given the theological makeup of those involved, is whether or not the Christian god exists, and perhaps even more importantly, whether Christianity is right. JB's cute attempts to prove atheism as empty/shallow/immoral/full of ironic failure/insert derisive adjective here prove that the existence of some deity-ish being is not what's important in this discussion; at least, not to him. So as to avoid too much postmodern fingerpointing-related hackery, I'll point out that I have to agree with The_Atheist on the ostensible subject of the debate. JB is bringing up the same old chestnuts of apologetics that are always used, that always convince the convinced and fail to convince the unconvinced. To be sure, he has given them a fresh coat of paint so that they apply to any god and not just his own personal Yahweh, but his handling of the monkeys-on-typewriters analogy reeks of "this universe looks designed; therefore it is" line of reasoning. His attempts to make science just as faith-based as religion are nothing new, and fail to convince any atheist (or scientist, for that matter) worthy of the name by virtue of both being flawed logic and missing the point. Those arguments tend to work great on people who are already Christians. As an atheist myself, I'm unimpressed. But then, I always am, and will be until Christianity comes up with a new argument to examine. A little originality is all I ask. I mean, at least TRY to save my immortal soul from eternal immersion in boiling excrement, or whatever vision of hell you subscribe to. This is a very interesting debate to watch, the reason being that all parties agree on the point being debated: whether or not “a god” exists is unimportant. The_Atheist and a few others merely leave it at that. Jonathan Baker and crew, however, believe it’s unimportant for entirely different reasons: “a god” is of no import if it isn’t Yahweh. This is ostensibly a debate on whether or not there is a god. What this ought to be, given the theological makeup of those involved, is whether or not the Christian god exists, and perhaps even more importantly, whether Christianity is right. JB’s cute attempts to prove atheism as empty/shallow/immoral/full of ironic failure/insert derisive adjective here prove that the existence of some deity-ish being is not what’s important in this discussion; at least, not to him.

So as to avoid too much postmodern fingerpointing-related hackery, I’ll point out that I have to agree with The_Atheist on the ostensible subject of the debate. JB is bringing up the same old chestnuts of apologetics that are always used, that always convince the convinced and fail to convince the unconvinced. To be sure, he has given them a fresh coat of paint so that they apply to any god and not just his own personal Yahweh, but his handling of the monkeys-on-typewriters analogy reeks of “this universe looks designed; therefore it is” line of reasoning. His attempts to make science just as faith-based as religion are nothing new, and fail to convince any atheist (or scientist, for that matter) worthy of the name by virtue of both being flawed logic and missing the point. Those arguments tend to work great on people who are already Christians. As an atheist myself, I’m unimpressed. But then, I always am, and will be until Christianity comes up with a new argument to examine. A little originality is all I ask. I mean, at least TRY to save my immortal soul from eternal immersion in boiling excrement, or whatever vision of hell you subscribe to.

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