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		<title>By: chie</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/logically-disproving-the-christian-god/#comment-2674</link>
		<dc:creator>chie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proving and disproving god would take a lot of effort, but the fact is - those who say that God exist can only rely with the scriptures and for some - the otherworldly miracles. How sure are we that everything we read in the scriptures are actually true in the first place. All the scriptures in all sorts of religion was written by man. Since we have no recorded evidence of God ever existing, and we only have our &quot;faith&quot; - to justify that he exists... It&#039;s a very flimsy proof.

Just because a whole lot of people in the world are theists and the remaining are either agnostics or atheists - doesn&#039;t mean that God truly exists.

There is also something fundamentally wrong about the idea that God will damn whoever that doesn&#039;t believe in him.

I know I don&#039;t believe in whatever all the other religions out there - has to say to him, but what I do believe in is that - god may or may not exist.

Because, who am I to say that God is good, or evil.

At one point or the other - all religions are used to control people - to set common values for the rest of us to live in some sort of harmony within our own cultures. We get these people who believe that their God is better than the other gods that other religions believe in.

Fact is there are too many contradictions, and we refuse to see them because we have not tried to study it... and since everyone around you in the community believes it, then it is also likewise that you must believe it in order to fit in.

Taking a leaf from Robert Ingersoll, we are christians because our fathers were. We are buddhists because our fathers were. We are muslims because our fathers were.

I&#039;m not saying that this is bad in a way. It&#039;s just the culture we are immersed in - the religion that you practice makes you refuse to see and understand what others have in mind.

What is wrong with a person who lives in a morally and  upright manner. For example, If by some way I did not believe in Jesus Christ, and I die, I would not be granted salvation?

And how sure are we of the existence of heaven and hell. We don&#039;t even know what happens to the collective consciousness when it passes on. It is much like how a person slowly looses their memory... Where is the person that you once knew before? Would that person still remain in the theoretical soul? Or is it forever lost?

Most of us want to believe that there is something good waiting out there for us... but face it, after waiting for so many years - most of the things we did and discovered - it was through our hands alone.

oh, God didn&#039;t magically come up with a way to create a nuclear bomb. It was not God who made the computers.

Saying that we are his creations therefore it was God&#039;s will that we made all these discoveries is even more of a bluff.

If....

If God is &quot;good&quot;, then why is it that in the bible or perhaps in other religions - there is always &quot;violence&quot;. Good is only a human concept. We can&#039;t judge... his existence.

Man is fallible. Our scriptures our Fallible.

Most of the time, it only preaches of a way to live our lives.

This is one of the reasons why I really want to study all sorts of religions out there... Because I&#039;m mortified by what each faction has to say to the other faction. I will not be naming names but I had to sit through a seminar where our speaker is talking about a problem somewhere in the world and he then suddenly spouts out that the root cause of it is religion. Though that might be true, the thing is it&#039;s not the only reason.

4 hours I listened about how he started listing out all the faults of that certain religion and then, finishes with a subtle message that when the time comes - it&#039;s kill or be killed .-.

If religion actually inspires peace and is actually something worth believing in... if I could find a faultless religion, I would practice it. But most of what I&#039;ve read and seen and heard is that - it&#039;s a major source of conflict.

All because each of us has an idea of &quot;God&quot;.

Moving on, if this God truly exists, and he truly has a divine message for us... when we are but a mere speck in the universe... Then, why not show himself to all of us for these arguments to be done and over with.

I do not want to follow any religion that says that I will be sent to hell for not believing.

What is the difference of a morally upright citizen that does not have faith in any god from a morally upright citizen that has faith in a certain god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proving and disproving god would take a lot of effort, but the fact is &#8211; those who say that God exist can only rely with the scriptures and for some &#8211; the otherworldly miracles. How sure are we that everything we read in the scriptures are actually true in the first place. All the scriptures in all sorts of religion was written by man. Since we have no recorded evidence of God ever existing, and we only have our &#8220;faith&#8221; &#8211; to justify that he exists&#8230; It&#8217;s a very flimsy proof.</p>
<p>Just because a whole lot of people in the world are theists and the remaining are either agnostics or atheists &#8211; doesn&#8217;t mean that God truly exists.</p>
<p>There is also something fundamentally wrong about the idea that God will damn whoever that doesn&#8217;t believe in him.</p>
<p>I know I don&#8217;t believe in whatever all the other religions out there &#8211; has to say to him, but what I do believe in is that &#8211; god may or may not exist.</p>
<p>Because, who am I to say that God is good, or evil.</p>
<p>At one point or the other &#8211; all religions are used to control people &#8211; to set common values for the rest of us to live in some sort of harmony within our own cultures. We get these people who believe that their God is better than the other gods that other religions believe in.</p>
<p>Fact is there are too many contradictions, and we refuse to see them because we have not tried to study it&#8230; and since everyone around you in the community believes it, then it is also likewise that you must believe it in order to fit in.</p>
<p>Taking a leaf from Robert Ingersoll, we are christians because our fathers were. We are buddhists because our fathers were. We are muslims because our fathers were.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that this is bad in a way. It&#8217;s just the culture we are immersed in &#8211; the religion that you practice makes you refuse to see and understand what others have in mind.</p>
<p>What is wrong with a person who lives in a morally and  upright manner. For example, If by some way I did not believe in Jesus Christ, and I die, I would not be granted salvation?</p>
<p>And how sure are we of the existence of heaven and hell. We don&#8217;t even know what happens to the collective consciousness when it passes on. It is much like how a person slowly looses their memory&#8230; Where is the person that you once knew before? Would that person still remain in the theoretical soul? Or is it forever lost?</p>
<p>Most of us want to believe that there is something good waiting out there for us&#8230; but face it, after waiting for so many years &#8211; most of the things we did and discovered &#8211; it was through our hands alone.</p>
<p>oh, God didn&#8217;t magically come up with a way to create a nuclear bomb. It was not God who made the computers.</p>
<p>Saying that we are his creations therefore it was God&#8217;s will that we made all these discoveries is even more of a bluff.</p>
<p>If&#8230;.</p>
<p>If God is &#8220;good&#8221;, then why is it that in the bible or perhaps in other religions &#8211; there is always &#8220;violence&#8221;. Good is only a human concept. We can&#8217;t judge&#8230; his existence.</p>
<p>Man is fallible. Our scriptures our Fallible.</p>
<p>Most of the time, it only preaches of a way to live our lives.</p>
<p>This is one of the reasons why I really want to study all sorts of religions out there&#8230; Because I&#8217;m mortified by what each faction has to say to the other faction. I will not be naming names but I had to sit through a seminar where our speaker is talking about a problem somewhere in the world and he then suddenly spouts out that the root cause of it is religion. Though that might be true, the thing is it&#8217;s not the only reason.</p>
<p>4 hours I listened about how he started listing out all the faults of that certain religion and then, finishes with a subtle message that when the time comes &#8211; it&#8217;s kill or be killed .-.</p>
<p>If religion actually inspires peace and is actually something worth believing in&#8230; if I could find a faultless religion, I would practice it. But most of what I&#8217;ve read and seen and heard is that &#8211; it&#8217;s a major source of conflict.</p>
<p>All because each of us has an idea of &#8220;God&#8221;.</p>
<p>Moving on, if this God truly exists, and he truly has a divine message for us&#8230; when we are but a mere speck in the universe&#8230; Then, why not show himself to all of us for these arguments to be done and over with.</p>
<p>I do not want to follow any religion that says that I will be sent to hell for not believing.</p>
<p>What is the difference of a morally upright citizen that does not have faith in any god from a morally upright citizen that has faith in a certain god.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/logically-disproving-the-christian-god/#comment-2659</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol the world is gunna end in 5 billion years when the sun burns out and everyone is going to die :D</description>
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		<title>By: IUseLogic</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/logically-disproving-the-christian-god/#comment-2653</link>
		<dc:creator>IUseLogic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of what you believe, at some point, something came from nothing. While I do not think the Christian God might be entirely correct, there is a God. There is some entity out there that led to our creation, a being of higher thinking/dimensions.. Science &quot;the law of conservation of matter&quot; that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Well then, how the f*ck does matter exist? Also, quite honestly, the big bang theory is more dumber then the theory of god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of what you believe, at some point, something came from nothing. While I do not think the Christian God might be entirely correct, there is a God. There is some entity out there that led to our creation, a being of higher thinking/dimensions.. Science &#8220;the law of conservation of matter&#8221; that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Well then, how the f*ck does matter exist? Also, quite honestly, the big bang theory is more dumber then the theory of god.</p>
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		<title>By: Java</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/logically-disproving-the-christian-god/#comment-2634</link>
		<dc:creator>Java</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..Love is an emotion. It&#039;s part of the human brain. Just like those five senses you listed, those can be de-activated in the brain. Some people are born without them. Just like 100% of people are born without a God and are TAUGHT about one. Please, please, go back to school- college- wherever. We do not need people like you on this planet who try to link a God to parts of a human&#039;s brain. You&#039;re literally just proving that Atheist are correct. Thank you. I love stupid Christians like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..Love is an emotion. It&#8217;s part of the human brain. Just like those five senses you listed, those can be de-activated in the brain. Some people are born without them. Just like 100% of people are born without a God and are TAUGHT about one. Please, please, go back to school- college- wherever. We do not need people like you on this planet who try to link a God to parts of a human&#8217;s brain. You&#8217;re literally just proving that Atheist are correct. Thank you. I love stupid Christians like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Java</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/logically-disproving-the-christian-god/#comment-2632</link>
		<dc:creator>Java</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Haha, are you serious? God is all powerful. Why doesn&#039;t he just get rid of Satan, if Satan is doing all the evil? And don&#039;t say: &quot;He Will.&quot; or &quot;Eventually.&quot; because that makes me think that God likes watching 6 year old girls get raped. Why doesn&#039;t he stop that from happening? My mom always told me (I grew up in a Christian family) that God works in mysterious ways and things happen for a reason. So, me being raped had to happen for a reason? God wanted that? Meanwhile, millions of other people in this world suffer- and Christians continue to blame Satan!

There are way too many loop-d-loops in Christian theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Haha, are you serious? God is all powerful. Why doesn&#8217;t he just get rid of Satan, if Satan is doing all the evil? And don&#8217;t say: &#8220;He Will.&#8221; or &#8220;Eventually.&#8221; because that makes me think that God likes watching 6 year old girls get raped. Why doesn&#8217;t he stop that from happening? My mom always told me (I grew up in a Christian family) that God works in mysterious ways and things happen for a reason. So, me being raped had to happen for a reason? God wanted that? Meanwhile, millions of other people in this world suffer- and Christians continue to blame Satan!</p>
<p>There are way too many loop-d-loops in Christian theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/logically-disproving-the-christian-god/#comment-2595</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate this insight. I wouldnt say im anything but its not something I have read before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate this insight. I wouldnt say im anything but its not something I have read before.</p>
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		<title>By: lucas</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/logically-disproving-the-christian-god/#comment-2588</link>
		<dc:creator>lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 04:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all of these arguments are absolutly pointless.
there are always going to be people who believe in god, and those who appose it. personally,i dont know what i am, i always went to church as a child, and hated it, i just hate the way people are at church, i dont know why or what it is about it i just do.
i really only have one thing to say though. if a person lives there entire life devoted to a god, they are, as far as im aware going to be living a helpful and &quot;pure&quot; life, they will help those in need and be happy, and at the end of the day, if there is no god, then theyve done just that, lived a good life helping others. when it comes down to it, if an atheist, im not saying atheists are dicks or dont help people, dont get me wrong, but if theyre completely apposed to the belief of a god, and there right, then both are in the same boat when they die. but if there is a god, who are you really hurting by praying every once in a while, and believing that there is hope for you once you die, if there is a god, and youve lived your life in belief, then you live a wonderful eternal life, if you dont believe and there truly is a god, then your fucked. just my opinion, but theres no use in arguing since many of you have your minds made up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all of these arguments are absolutly pointless.<br />
there are always going to be people who believe in god, and those who appose it. personally,i dont know what i am, i always went to church as a child, and hated it, i just hate the way people are at church, i dont know why or what it is about it i just do.<br />
i really only have one thing to say though. if a person lives there entire life devoted to a god, they are, as far as im aware going to be living a helpful and &#8220;pure&#8221; life, they will help those in need and be happy, and at the end of the day, if there is no god, then theyve done just that, lived a good life helping others. when it comes down to it, if an atheist, im not saying atheists are dicks or dont help people, dont get me wrong, but if theyre completely apposed to the belief of a god, and there right, then both are in the same boat when they die. but if there is a god, who are you really hurting by praying every once in a while, and believing that there is hope for you once you die, if there is a god, and youve lived your life in belief, then you live a wonderful eternal life, if you dont believe and there truly is a god, then your fucked. just my opinion, but theres no use in arguing since many of you have your minds made up.</p>
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		<title>By: subrata</title>
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		<dc:creator>subrata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 09:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you should read Gita the lecture given by lord Krishna to arjuna.then you would be able to understand the true meaning of all religion books.know that the whole universe is a very small part of god.god is not he nither she.god is beyond that.God did not created earth.God him self/herself/what ever became the stars suns all other things even human.the purus and prakriti are same. energy and matter is not different they are the two forms of one thing.matter can be transformed into energy energy can be transformed into matter.you can not know the god with logic you will have to go beyond that where you will have to leave all your impurities.you will have to be only with your pure consciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should read Gita the lecture given by lord Krishna to arjuna.then you would be able to understand the true meaning of all religion books.know that the whole universe is a very small part of god.god is not he nither she.god is beyond that.God did not created earth.God him self/herself/what ever became the stars suns all other things even human.the purus and prakriti are same. energy and matter is not different they are the two forms of one thing.matter can be transformed into energy energy can be transformed into matter.you can not know the god with logic you will have to go beyond that where you will have to leave all your impurities.you will have to be only with your pure consciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Athiest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Athiest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 00:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you completely:) This is a perfect explanation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you completely:) This is a perfect explanation</p>
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		<title>By: Another Athiest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Athiest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read through about the first half of this and felt like I need to voice my OPINION.


I think to to actually believe in a &quot;GOD&quot; is ridiculous and just proves that you have no free thought. 

First of all religion is just mankinds way of dealing with the fact that they are going to die eventually and there is nothing they can do about it, as stated in multiple comments above.

When people post comment such as &quot;There is no such thing as evolution&quot; it really makes me sad. To see how stupid people are becoming, that they cant actually think for themselves so they believe in something with no facts to support it, and never keep their minds open. 

I have had countless religious debates with Christians. The second someone finds out im an atheist, their first question is ALWAYS, &quot;well then how do u think we got here&quot;? I will tell them something along the lines of evolution and the Big Bang theory. I give actual facts about what I believe happened. No christian has ever given me ANY facts at all to their beliefs, but instead say things like, &quot;God created us&quot; or &quot;Read the bible&quot;.

People have asked me to give them proof that there is no god, in retaliation I ask them to prove that there is one, the only so called &quot;proof&quot; that they give me is telling me to read the bible. That is not proof, not even close!

People are &quot;raised&quot; to be religious, they are &quot;raised&quot; to believe in a god that does not exist because their closed minded parents decided what they should believe, and baby fed them lies about life while growing up. This does not apply to all religious people, some people decide to subscribe to a particular faith sometime later in life for reasons that I dont know.

One more thing that has always been the basis of my religious arguments is that, if there are over 21 major religions in the world, how can you be sure that yours is rite and the others are wrong? Typical religious person response is &quot;I have faith&quot;. Pure A grade stupidity.

Religion helps the weak minded people get through life. Hey if it makes them happy then who am I to challenge their beliefs. I know that I am rite about there being no god, any other logically thinking person knows this as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read through about the first half of this and felt like I need to voice my OPINION.</p>
<p>I think to to actually believe in a &#8220;GOD&#8221; is ridiculous and just proves that you have no free thought. </p>
<p>First of all religion is just mankinds way of dealing with the fact that they are going to die eventually and there is nothing they can do about it, as stated in multiple comments above.</p>
<p>When people post comment such as &#8220;There is no such thing as evolution&#8221; it really makes me sad. To see how stupid people are becoming, that they cant actually think for themselves so they believe in something with no facts to support it, and never keep their minds open. </p>
<p>I have had countless religious debates with Christians. The second someone finds out im an atheist, their first question is ALWAYS, &#8220;well then how do u think we got here&#8221;? I will tell them something along the lines of evolution and the Big Bang theory. I give actual facts about what I believe happened. No christian has ever given me ANY facts at all to their beliefs, but instead say things like, &#8220;God created us&#8221; or &#8220;Read the bible&#8221;.</p>
<p>People have asked me to give them proof that there is no god, in retaliation I ask them to prove that there is one, the only so called &#8220;proof&#8221; that they give me is telling me to read the bible. That is not proof, not even close!</p>
<p>People are &#8220;raised&#8221; to be religious, they are &#8220;raised&#8221; to believe in a god that does not exist because their closed minded parents decided what they should believe, and baby fed them lies about life while growing up. This does not apply to all religious people, some people decide to subscribe to a particular faith sometime later in life for reasons that I dont know.</p>
<p>One more thing that has always been the basis of my religious arguments is that, if there are over 21 major religions in the world, how can you be sure that yours is rite and the others are wrong? Typical religious person response is &#8220;I have faith&#8221;. Pure A grade stupidity.</p>
<p>Religion helps the weak minded people get through life. Hey if it makes them happy then who am I to challenge their beliefs. I know that I am rite about there being no god, any other logically thinking person knows this as well.</p>
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