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		<title>By: David Zohar</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-2547</link>
		<dc:creator>David Zohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Jesus of Nazareth was indeed born in Bethlehem I would think it was the Galilee  village of that name just outside Nazareth. The town of Bethlehem lies  very far to the south in Judea but was chosen by the Gospel authors in order to  create a fictitious link to King David who was born there a thousand years before.
It would not make sense for a very pregnant lady to travel to Bethlehem in Judea, but the Galilean village of that name could have been within reach.Even on donkey-back.
Another point-Jesus was of course a Jew, from birth to death. By tradition Jewish boys are circumcised eight days after birth which brings us to  January 1st or New Year&#039;s Day which is the celebration of Jesus&#039; brit-mila or circumcision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jesus of Nazareth was indeed born in Bethlehem I would think it was the Galilee  village of that name just outside Nazareth. The town of Bethlehem lies  very far to the south in Judea but was chosen by the Gospel authors in order to  create a fictitious link to King David who was born there a thousand years before.<br />
It would not make sense for a very pregnant lady to travel to Bethlehem in Judea, but the Galilean village of that name could have been within reach.Even on donkey-back.<br />
Another point-Jesus was of course a Jew, from birth to death. By tradition Jewish boys are circumcised eight days after birth which brings us to  January 1st or New Year&#8217;s Day which is the celebration of Jesus&#8217; brit-mila or circumcision.</p>
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		<title>By: Psy</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1213</link>
		<dc:creator>Psy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure any local dinner would reserve a parking space for Santa and provide reindeer food as it may bring in more customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure any local dinner would reserve a parking space for Santa and provide reindeer food as it may bring in more customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then we&#039;re agreed. I don&#039;t have any grudges against Santa either and would hate to see him vanish back to the North Pole without a trace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then we&#8217;re agreed. I don&#8217;t have any grudges against Santa either and would hate to see him vanish back to the North Pole without a trace.</p>
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		<title>By: Psy</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1211</link>
		<dc:creator>Psy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan Baker your appeal to tradition fallacies had me laughing pretty hard. If a place should be reserved for any particular reason it should be parking for a sleigh and 8 tiny reindeer while the big guy in the red suit stops for launch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Baker your appeal to tradition fallacies had me laughing pretty hard. If a place should be reserved for any particular reason it should be parking for a sleigh and 8 tiny reindeer while the big guy in the red suit stops for launch.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1210</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheist, just because I admit that Dec 25 was probably &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/I&gt; the correct historical date for Christ&#039;s birth, that does not mean that it is arbitrary to celebrate it then. On the contrary, it would be arbitrary to do so at some other time. December 25th has been long established and is a firm part of Western tradition and beyond. As I have said, there is also plenty of scope for creative minds who are not Christians, to be able to enter the season, and take advantage of the beauty, colours, festivity and spirit of family, generosity and forgiveness that is natural to the celebration.

Precisely because of its history, scope and festivitiy for all ages, it is destructive to attempt to scuttle it. Of course, if sometimes a little over-zealous, fundamentalists are right to see it as destructive to for groups to deliberately attempt to &#039;compete&#039; with it. There can be no question here of anything but an attempt to destroy Christmas itself, and that should be honestly admitted.

The AFA should not be able to &#039;monopolise&#039; anything, let alone a time of year, but should surely be allowed to contribute in a democratic way to the celebration if it so chose. This is quite different from a group attempting to put up a Wiccan display in a place traditionally reserved for a manger scene, for example. Surely the difference is clear.

&quot;There is a stronger link between this time of year and other beliefs/traditions/religions...&quot; Hardly. Everyone knows it as Christmas time and only someone with a mean spirit (or an agenda) would wish to destroy it.

Fortunately, it would be quite futile to attempt to replace Christmas. Most people love the colours and family traditions associated with it. Most even enjoy the carols and songs (even those of us who celebrate Christmas in midsummer belt out &quot;In the deep midwinter&quot; and &quot;Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow&quot; without any silly scruples that there is isn&#039;t a chance in a million that it will).

As my family went around looking at the lights and decorations outside people&#039;s houses on Christmas night, I realised just how impossible it would be to stamp out Christmas, and the wonderful joy that it brings to so many people everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheist, just because I admit that Dec 25 was probably <i>not</i> the correct historical date for Christ&#8217;s birth, that does not mean that it is arbitrary to celebrate it then. On the contrary, it would be arbitrary to do so at some other time. December 25th has been long established and is a firm part of Western tradition and beyond. As I have said, there is also plenty of scope for creative minds who are not Christians, to be able to enter the season, and take advantage of the beauty, colours, festivity and spirit of family, generosity and forgiveness that is natural to the celebration.</p>
<p>Precisely because of its history, scope and festivitiy for all ages, it is destructive to attempt to scuttle it. Of course, if sometimes a little over-zealous, fundamentalists are right to see it as destructive to for groups to deliberately attempt to &#8216;compete&#8217; with it. There can be no question here of anything but an attempt to destroy Christmas itself, and that should be honestly admitted.</p>
<p>The AFA should not be able to &#8216;monopolise&#8217; anything, let alone a time of year, but should surely be allowed to contribute in a democratic way to the celebration if it so chose. This is quite different from a group attempting to put up a Wiccan display in a place traditionally reserved for a manger scene, for example. Surely the difference is clear.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a stronger link between this time of year and other beliefs/traditions/religions&#8230;&#8221; Hardly. Everyone knows it as Christmas time and only someone with a mean spirit (or an agenda) would wish to destroy it.</p>
<p>Fortunately, it would be quite futile to attempt to replace Christmas. Most people love the colours and family traditions associated with it. Most even enjoy the carols and songs (even those of us who celebrate Christmas in midsummer belt out &#8220;In the deep midwinter&#8221; and &#8220;Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow&#8221; without any silly scruples that there is isn&#8217;t a chance in a million that it will).</p>
<p>As my family went around looking at the lights and decorations outside people&#8217;s houses on Christmas night, I realised just how impossible it would be to stamp out Christmas, and the wonderful joy that it brings to so many people everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter gore seer</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1209</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter gore seer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sided with the christian way because of what has happened in my life.We are all living a liar it has to be that way or kaos would rule I challenge anybody who knows the truth because the truth is a lie we all live a allusion we make christmas evil god real.we need all the above  we make it real to give us a reason to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sided with the christian way because of what has happened in my life.We are all living a liar it has to be that way or kaos would rule I challenge anybody who knows the truth because the truth is a lie we all live a allusion we make christmas evil god real.we need all the above  we make it real to give us a reason to live.</p>
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		<title>By: The Atheist</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1208</link>
		<dc:creator>The Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have an issue with the way in which anyone wishes to celebrate this time of year.  Quite the opposite in fact.

What I do have an issue with, however, are groups like the AFA attempting to monopolise this time of year as a Christian event.  It is not the atheists that are attempting to prevent Christians from celebrating Christmas, but the Christians who are attempting to prevent anyone else from celebrating anything &lt;em&gt;other&lt;/em&gt; than Christmas.  As Psy pointed out in a comment here, the removal of displays around this time last year was down to the Christian fundamentalists trying to remove other displays.

The point of this post, and it&#039;s clear that it was not lost on you, was that in reality there is no link between December 25th and the birth of Jesus.  There is a stronger link between this time of year and other beliefs/traditions/religions, which makes it utterly absurd that groups like the AFA should try and claim this time of year in the name of Christ and attempt to silence those beliefs/traditions/religions that &lt;em&gt;actually have a link to this time of year&lt;/em&gt;.

For some reason I feel the need to reiterate this, but if Christians choose to arbitrarily decide on this time of year to celebrate this time of year, then please, go ahead.  I won&#039;t try and stop you.  But I would expect the same courtesy to be extended to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have an issue with the way in which anyone wishes to celebrate this time of year.  Quite the opposite in fact.</p>
<p>What I do have an issue with, however, are groups like the AFA attempting to monopolise this time of year as a Christian event.  It is not the atheists that are attempting to prevent Christians from celebrating Christmas, but the Christians who are attempting to prevent anyone else from celebrating anything <em>other</em> than Christmas.  As Psy pointed out in a comment here, the removal of displays around this time last year was down to the Christian fundamentalists trying to remove other displays.</p>
<p>The point of this post, and it&#8217;s clear that it was not lost on you, was that in reality there is no link between December 25th and the birth of Jesus.  There is a stronger link between this time of year and other beliefs/traditions/religions, which makes it utterly absurd that groups like the AFA should try and claim this time of year in the name of Christ and attempt to silence those beliefs/traditions/religions that <em>actually have a link to this time of year</em>.</p>
<p>For some reason I feel the need to reiterate this, but if Christians choose to arbitrarily decide on this time of year to celebrate this time of year, then please, go ahead.  I won&#8217;t try and stop you.  But I would expect the same courtesy to be extended to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter gore seer</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1207</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter gore seer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PETER GORE SEER MY friends brother as just died suddenly so I shall be support him.MY angel has warned me twice in two months of a serious illness but no details half a hour ago my daughter told me my ex wife who divorce me because of paranormal round me has lung cancer.My Christmases get better and me the fool for believing in god and evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PETER GORE SEER MY friends brother as just died suddenly so I shall be support him.MY angel has warned me twice in two months of a serious illness but no details half a hour ago my daughter told me my ex wife who divorce me because of paranormal round me has lung cancer.My Christmases get better and me the fool for believing in god and evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Psy</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1206</link>
		<dc:creator>Psy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The oppression begins when religious groups start to complain and protest because some atheist group puts up their display.

Last years edition of Bill O&#039;Reilly&#039;s war on Christmas ended with all displays being banned from Washington state capital grounds except for the park a few blocks away.

This year no one has complained about the atheist participation so they will probably be allowed the privilege of using the park again next year. I also have a friend who wants to put up a Wiccan display next year in order to have her beliefs equally represented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The oppression begins when religious groups start to complain and protest because some atheist group puts up their display.</p>
<p>Last years edition of Bill O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s war on Christmas ended with all displays being banned from Washington state capital grounds except for the park a few blocks away.</p>
<p>This year no one has complained about the atheist participation so they will probably be allowed the privilege of using the park again next year. I also have a friend who wants to put up a Wiccan display next year in order to have her beliefs equally represented.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/christmas-crazy/#comment-1205</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psy,

How do Christians putting up nativity scenes oppress other views? Christians wanting to celebrate their religion in the public square doesn&#039;t impede on anyone else&#039;s views or rights. Saying that is illogical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psy,</p>
<p>How do Christians putting up nativity scenes oppress other views? Christians wanting to celebrate their religion in the public square doesn&#8217;t impede on anyone else&#8217;s views or rights. Saying that is illogical.</p>
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