I think mostly theists use the term fundamental atheism when talking about someone who attacks christianity – am I correct?

Anon… I don’t know what to say to you other than been there done that… Hate to say it but it simply DOESN’T work. Good effort though.

“Works better if you do it before going to bed after fasting all day, just water only when you really need it. No sex.”

Really unnecessary? Most Christians would agree with me on that too. Why not sex? Oh yea god is the ultimate cockblock I forgot

Adios

Dear all,

I believe God is only One, owner of earth, sky and universe, and loves each of us without discrimination. We as humans are being trained since many centuries for the beggining of a new world. A better world.
The end of the world is approaching. The purpose of human kind is to faight evil. evil is not a person, but a weakness and confusion that causes discord among us. We are all going to witness the truth when the time comes. And for those who knows of the Word of God, should not fear when catastrophes happen. That means everything is happening as He predicted and His promise of the new perfect world of love will come to us.
Those who believed in Christ will be resurrected with a glorious body just like He was, after being judged accordingly. It is normal to be scared and being skeptial about “non-normal” things. But what most humans are not aware of is that there is an existace after death. A better or worse existace. As far as I’m aware of, there is a better existance for those who believed in Christ and LOVE each others fraternally, those with compassion and those who reconized their own errors and convert into good persons, those who did good deeds on earth and those who died without taking their own lifes. I’m pretty sure each of us will be judged by God and will be saved according to each own religion and I hope we all get saved. It’s very difficult for me to explain what I witnessed. You have to experiece it yourself.

*Here is how:

-Go to a quiet place where nobody can see you or hear you. Make sure there is no noise around that may disturb your concentration.(Works better if you do it before going to bed after fasting all day, just water only when you really need it. No sex)

-Clear your mind, reconized that you are not perfect but that you wish to have Him in your heart (need to mean it)and want to please his eyes. Remember God is Love.

-Begin you sentence as follows:(with deep concentration)

Our Father,
who art in Heaven,
hallowed by Thy name,
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in Heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation
but deliver us from evil.

Amen

-Than, Ask Him with humility to help you to understand Him and guide you. He will teach you with patient. He loves you.

God bless us, the world and have mercy on us.

So here goes.

Adam Jacobsen writes:
“If you would just take time to read it and if you don’t understand it then ask a pastor to help you.”
That’s the problem: I have read the Bible numerous times and I do understand it. I don’t need a pastor to interpret it for me — indeed, if people actually READ the Bible and didn’t rely on the word of others, we’d have far fewer theists upon the planet.
My question for you is: have YOU actually read the Bible?
If so, I find your comment intriguing that: “Jesus Christ died so we don’t have to follow the ways of the old covenent (Old testament) between man and God.”
The Bible itself disagrees. Matthew 5:18 say “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (KJV)
I’d like an explanation here because clearly this is a command from Jesus upholding the teachings of the Old Testament.
It also triggers a more basic problem: If the Old Testament isn’t valid, as you claim, why is it included with the New Testament at all? What purpose does it serve?

Since there are clearly some theists on here who want to speak of God’s truth as revealed through the Bible, then let me ask some important questions.
Who wrote the books of what we refer to as the New Testament and when were they written? And don’t tell me “Matthew, Mark, Luke and John,” because clearly that’s not the case. And, please, don’t tell me they were written by God either. Because God would look pretty foolish, thinking the mustard seed is the smallest of seeds (Mark 4:30-2)
If the answer is, as I suspect it will be, that it was written by humans who made mistakes and is only the “inspired” word of God, couldn’t God have inspired a better book? And if there are many errors in the book, can we trust what we read within as proof of God’s love. What if it was a mistake? What if we aren’t supposed to turn the other cheek? And what about the various translations and additions by later authors?

As for citing prophecy, doing that is a tricky thing. It’s easy for us to look back at ancient texts and scream “Eureka! He predicted the airplane.” Of course we have no way of knowing that’s what they were referring to — prophecy is often vague. People love to interpret the teachings of Nostradamus and outline how his predictions have come true — of course, when it doesn’t come true, they adjust and re-interpret the prophecy. It’s carte-blanche for any hare-brained scheme someome can dream up.

Adam once again
“The athiest worship there science and claim christianitly is wrong yet science evolution and big bang the dinosaurs extinction is all theorys. A theory is based on hypothesis not fact. Also the athiest’s theory of evolution’s idea came from charles darwin a man who stated blacks are less evolved then whites.”
Atheism, by definition, is the lack of belief — so claiming we worship science is ignorant.
Evolution and the Big Bang are both theories — yes, but they are based on testable, verifiable information. If they are proven to be wrong with other testable, verifiable information, then they will be discarded or changed. Claiming that God created the world in seven days and that humans used to ride dinosaurs is not something you can prove at all — and should be given even less credibility (and don’t claim the Bible as proof… it isn’t…). On that note, Isaac Newton’s Theory of Gravitation (ie. Gravity) is also a theory. Do you dispute that gravity exists?
And your latter claim that Origin of Species advocates a theory of racism… have you read the book in question? Are you even familliar with the concept of evolution outside of what your preacher has told you?
Again, your arguments lack weight and conviction — maybe you should do some reading of your own before advocating mindless theories and attacking others.

As for the comment by Ivan Tullao,
“After all, God personally written the Ten Commandments and still, none can/will keep it. God already performed miracles at that time and still many people still doubt Him and His authority.”
How do you know this information? Please don’t tell me “the Bible tells me so,” because that’s not a right answer. I mean what evidence do you have that God personally did so. As for the miracles, which ones are you referring to? Where’s your proof? How do you know these are miracles and not the misunderstanding of disease and mental illness?

Izzy, I agree for the most part with your statement — Even though I think religious people are wrong, I can rest with that assumption and take no issue with someone’s spiritual practices. Therefore, I can respect their views. That’s not the case for a true believer. If you really, truly, believe that those in who believe in Christ are heaven-bound and those who don’t will be doomed to hell for eternity, how can you possibly “respect” contrary views? Tolerate is more like it, but don’t claim you respect religion — because you don’t.

As for the claim of “fundamentalist atheism,” the entire phrase is a contradiction. How can you be fundamental when you lack believe in something. Does that mean I’m a fundamental a-Santa-ist (one who lacks believe in Santa)? I can here in the question the charge of “is Atheism a religion?” The answer to that question is, of course, no — you can’t base a system of belief upon lacking belief in said object in the first place.
The only thing I can state unequivocably is that I believe there is no God. If I’m proven wrong with evidence, I’ll gladly change my position.

To theists who post here, are you willing to do the same?

Lets hope no Christain throws a stone then – that could end UGLY.

Can you define fundamental atheist for me? – can you give an example? Would you class Dawkins (if you know him – I don’t know where your from) as one?

Thanks,
Owen.

Joel you too lol

Izzy – I thanks you for trying to moderate, but really one of the major problems facing to world today is Fundamental Theists. THATS generally our problem.

If believers in god did not act on their belief there would be no problem – but when you get terrorist bombers crashing into towers, you know something needs to be done – you can’;t just let them have their religion.

Thanks,
Owen.

Golden rule of Jesus Christ “Do unto others….”
hMmmmmmMMMmmm…oh yeah..where have I seen this before? Confucius taught it…hmm…so did Socrates….hhmmm…..And these were born before him….hmmmmmm….

And that’s just ONE…….

The person with the Muslim background cited that “islam CLEARLY says Killing the SELF is haram, and the killing of an innocent(muslim or not) is the same as killing all of humanity in its magnitude”……..isn’t that also found IN THE BIBLE!?

Regarding the connection between Confucius, Socrates, and Jesus Christ, they ALL SPOKE OF GOD!!! Which confirms that God is infact the “Alpha and the Omega.”…..”God made us in his likeness” Satan came from God……

I took up the bible faithfully and willingly. Result? Well, in order to follow all the teachings of Jesus Christ, one will HAVE TO either knowingly/unknowingly COMMIT ONE OF THE SINS – SIN OF PRIDE – Because you HAVE TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT WHATEVER GOOD IS DONE IS DONE SO IN THE NAME OF GOD. No, there’s nothing wrong with that. But it also says that anything done with true love does not ask for anything in return. But becuz your sins are already forgiven…………………….

Anyone with a basic knowledge of Mathematics can see that it just goes around and around and around in a circle…just like that of the Buddhist faith. But because every culture’s religion claims that their god is jealous and is the ONLY ONE, they ACTUALLY FORGET TO TEACH THE TRUE MESSAGE THAT IS IN THOSE TEACHINGS!1!!! LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER!! WTH IS WRONG with this picture!?

Tell me I’m wrong…….BUT…realize that in doing so, YOU are placing a judgement on me which according to the scriptures, it is not your job to do so. Furthermore, to get “angry” with what I have said, you would be committing the sin of Wrath…which…u are not supposed to….But…because your sins are forgiven, or that with Jesus Christ, all things are made new.

Really…it’s that simple. The forces of Good and Evil can be found on our number scale:
-1, 0, 1 and depending on which side of the spectrum u stand on, either end is good or evil. Thank you for reading.