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	<title>Comments on: Between 6,000 and 20,000 Catholic Clergy involved in Child Sex Abuse Cases &#8211; but aren&#039;t pedophiles</title>
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		<title>By: No Hope With This Pope</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/between-6000-and-20000-catholic-clergy-involved-in-child-sex-abuse-cases-but-arent-pedophiles/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>No Hope With This Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 00:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had the the Church, or representatives thereof, claiming child abuse is linked to homosexuality, abusive clergymen weren&#8217;t technically pedophiles and generally sweeping the problem of child abuse under the carpet.  It is not a nice organisation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had the the Church, or representatives thereof, claiming child abuse is linked to homosexuality, abusive clergymen weren&#8217;t technically pedophiles and generally sweeping the problem of child abuse under the carpet.  It is not a nice organisation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crange</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/between-6000-and-20000-catholic-clergy-involved-in-child-sex-abuse-cases-but-arent-pedophiles/#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>Crange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s really required to be done in Ireland is to gather up these purveyors of ridiculous nonsense, along with their smoke and mirror symbols, and send them all packing back to the miserable Vatican.
It&#039;s bad enough to have to be governed by a bunch of Fianna Fail galoots without having to deal with clowns wearing dresses screwing our kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s really required to be done in Ireland is to gather up these purveyors of ridiculous nonsense, along with their smoke and mirror symbols, and send them all packing back to the miserable Vatican.<br />
It&#8217;s bad enough to have to be governed by a bunch of Fianna Fail galoots without having to deal with clowns wearing dresses screwing our kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter gore seer</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/between-6000-and-20000-catholic-clergy-involved-in-child-sex-abuse-cases-but-arent-pedophiles/#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter gore seer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to know that atheists aren&#039;t child molesters it would be very difficult for me to except but us Christians well its normal.Atheist would not rape murder rob lie little boys and girls are safe with atheists.With proof facts science this world would be a better place no god no evil we would worship atheist how fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to know that atheists aren&#8217;t child molesters it would be very difficult for me to except but us Christians well its normal.Atheist would not rape murder rob lie little boys and girls are safe with atheists.With proof facts science this world would be a better place no god no evil we would worship atheist how fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter gore seer</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/between-6000-and-20000-catholic-clergy-involved-in-child-sex-abuse-cases-but-arent-pedophiles/#comment-1173</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter gore seer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PETER GORE SEER I try to avoid contact with children I have seven grandchildren I have close contact with them out side they call me grandad so I feel OK but out side I am afraid to go near children if I see a child in distress i look for a woman to take over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PETER GORE SEER I try to avoid contact with children I have seven grandchildren I have close contact with them out side they call me grandad so I feel OK but out side I am afraid to go near children if I see a child in distress i look for a woman to take over.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter gore seer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter gore seer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PETER GORE SEER I am out of my depth here but any abuse should not be tolerated and the law of the land should be used courts and lawyers should decide not the church and not paying large amounts of money no intuition should be a law unto itself but there are conspiracy that make me uneasy.MARRY CHRISTMAS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PETER GORE SEER I am out of my depth here but any abuse should not be tolerated and the law of the land should be used courts and lawyers should decide not the church and not paying large amounts of money no intuition should be a law unto itself but there are conspiracy that make me uneasy.MARRY CHRISTMAS.</p>
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		<title>By: Psy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;… there is no safer place today for children than the Catholic Church.“


Who would believe this?

Recently here in the Pacific NW another lawsuit was filed representing over 500 people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;… there is no safer place today for children than the Catholic Church.“</p>
<p>Who would believe this?</p>
<p>Recently here in the Pacific NW another lawsuit was filed representing over 500 people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.the-atheist.com/between-6000-and-20000-catholic-clergy-involved-in-child-sex-abuse-cases-but-arent-pedophiles/#comment-1170</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that this new John Jay study (due for completion) might help to keep this topic in perspective: http://www.zenit.org/article-27580?l=english. It demonstrates how the Church has tackled this issue, and it also provides an answer to other criticisms that Atheist and Pedro have raised:

1. Since 1985 abuse cases by clergy in the US declined sharply in 1985 and has continued to decline (though it rose in the 60
s and 70&#039;s).

2. Moreover, as I claimed before this is not a &quot;Catholic&quot; problem: &quot;&lt;i&gt;the incidence of abuse cases by clergy matches the rising and falling trend in the number of cases reported outside the Church.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; In fact, national trends in deviant sexual behavior in society match the patterns of other societal behavioral problems between 1960 and 1990, such as crime, drug use and divorce. (ie they rose and fell together) - so clearly we need to address whatever societal problem arose in the 60&#039;s that caused this.... hmmmm &quot;free love&quot; movement come to mind anyone?

3. Encouragingly, in the last 50 years (ie as more has become known of the problem ie both psychologically and statistically) there has been &quot;a significant change in the diocesan response to charges of abuse over 50 years, including more administrative leave being given to abusers, and less cases of reinstatement.&quot;

4. The study claims that no other organisation has put as much effort into keeping children safe. In response to a question as to why many cases seem to involve accusations against clegy in particular, one of the researchers responded that: &quot;&lt;i&gt;there is a difference between what the media is reporting and what is actually happening.&lt;/i&gt;&quot; This has actually been my main contention throughout this debate here.

5. The study will also seek to &quot;understand more fully the problem of clergy sexual abuse and what needs to be done to keep children safe in the Church&#039;s care&quot;, but hopefully you will be pleased to note that: &quot;While 80% of the cases involved boys, the researchers are evaluating sexual identity separately from sexual behaviour.&quot; So this is not an attempt to &quot;blame it on the gays&quot; but to come to a real understanding of what is actually happening.

6. As might be expected, those seminarians (student priests) who received human formation were less likely to abuse later in life.

7. The information already received from the study has already been used to implement training and improve safety measures, and the Bishops will address the recommendations that the researchers will make when the report is published.

8. The bishops plan to undergo an audit every year to ensure that the Church is compliant with the safe environment program they have instituted.

9. At the meeting of the USSCB (Catholic Bishop&#039;s Conference) the Bishops pledged also to remain close to victims of abuse and to offer what help they can to those who are still resolving problems from the past.

It seems that Bishop Cupish (the chairman of the U.S. bishops&#039; conference Committee for the Protection of Children and Young People) has got good reason to argue that because &quot;no [other] organisation has undertaken such a comprehensive study on the issue ... nor taken such measures to protect minors ... &lt;b&gt;there is no safer place today for children than the Catholic Church.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that this new John Jay study (due for completion) might help to keep this topic in perspective: <a href="http://www.zenit.org/article-27580?l=english" rel="nofollow">http://www.zenit.org/article-27580?l=english</a>. It demonstrates how the Church has tackled this issue, and it also provides an answer to other criticisms that Atheist and Pedro have raised:</p>
<p>1. Since 1985 abuse cases by clergy in the US declined sharply in 1985 and has continued to decline (though it rose in the 60<br />
s and 70&#8242;s).</p>
<p>2. Moreover, as I claimed before this is not a &#8220;Catholic&#8221; problem: &#8220;<i>the incidence of abuse cases by clergy matches the rising and falling trend in the number of cases reported outside the Church.</i>&#8221; In fact, national trends in deviant sexual behavior in society match the patterns of other societal behavioral problems between 1960 and 1990, such as crime, drug use and divorce. (ie they rose and fell together) &#8211; so clearly we need to address whatever societal problem arose in the 60&#8242;s that caused this&#8230;. hmmmm &#8220;free love&#8221; movement come to mind anyone?</p>
<p>3. Encouragingly, in the last 50 years (ie as more has become known of the problem ie both psychologically and statistically) there has been &#8220;a significant change in the diocesan response to charges of abuse over 50 years, including more administrative leave being given to abusers, and less cases of reinstatement.&#8221;</p>
<p>4. The study claims that no other organisation has put as much effort into keeping children safe. In response to a question as to why many cases seem to involve accusations against clegy in particular, one of the researchers responded that: &#8220;<i>there is a difference between what the media is reporting and what is actually happening.</i>&#8221; This has actually been my main contention throughout this debate here.</p>
<p>5. The study will also seek to &#8220;understand more fully the problem of clergy sexual abuse and what needs to be done to keep children safe in the Church&#8217;s care&#8221;, but hopefully you will be pleased to note that: &#8220;While 80% of the cases involved boys, the researchers are evaluating sexual identity separately from sexual behaviour.&#8221; So this is not an attempt to &#8220;blame it on the gays&#8221; but to come to a real understanding of what is actually happening.</p>
<p>6. As might be expected, those seminarians (student priests) who received human formation were less likely to abuse later in life.</p>
<p>7. The information already received from the study has already been used to implement training and improve safety measures, and the Bishops will address the recommendations that the researchers will make when the report is published.</p>
<p>8. The bishops plan to undergo an audit every year to ensure that the Church is compliant with the safe environment program they have instituted.</p>
<p>9. At the meeting of the USSCB (Catholic Bishop&#8217;s Conference) the Bishops pledged also to remain close to victims of abuse and to offer what help they can to those who are still resolving problems from the past.</p>
<p>It seems that Bishop Cupish (the chairman of the U.S. bishops&#8217; conference Committee for the Protection of Children and Young People) has got good reason to argue that because &#8220;no [other] organisation has undertaken such a comprehensive study on the issue &#8230; nor taken such measures to protect minors &#8230; <b>there is no safer place today for children than the Catholic Church.</b>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t intend to elongate my reply further, but thought that this news from Ireland might be encouraging:

http://www.examiner.ie/home/praise-for-church-over-child-protection-policies-104091.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t intend to elongate my reply further, but thought that this news from Ireland might be encouraging:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.examiner.ie/home/praise-for-church-over-child-protection-policies-104091.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.ie/home/praise-for-church-over-child-protection-policies-104091.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve deleted your duplicate comment Jonathan. Any comment that contains a link gets caught by the spam filter and has to be manually approved, hence the occasional delay in comments appearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve deleted your duplicate comment Jonathan. Any comment that contains a link gets caught by the spam filter and has to be manually approved, hence the occasional delay in comments appearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Atheist, I thought my submission failed the first time. Please delete the bottom copy (the 3:09pm one). Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Atheist, I thought my submission failed the first time. Please delete the bottom copy (the 3:09pm one). Thanks.</p>
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